with a low rating and lack of a majority in parliament, his maneuver in the country will be limited, but when we talk about our ally and its alliance obligations, the obligations of france, which the president announces, publishes and monitors the implementation of, according to the constitution, well, there is nothing threatening here yet, because in fact, even the unadopted budget, which will be considered by the next prime minister, is not such a threat to ukraine, because the old budget covered the entire range of, let's say, financial france's initiatives regarding support for ukraine, and they were already spelled out in the strobe budget, in case of non-adoption of the new budget, the old budget is in effect, so of course it is uncomfortable for the social sphere, for science, french education, that is , nothing good happened in france in connection with the resignation of the government, and accordingly... it will create

internal tension, but now is the holidays, now is a very good period of time for a change of government, so it happened, that is, as i say, macron knows how to, knows how to get out of extreme situations, but also to start, and enter and start a country and he himself knows how to enter there as well, his entourage claims about him that he famously throws a car into a ditch and with no less pleasure pulls out this... mobile phone from that ditch, if we are talking specifically about his actions, so another initiative is more important for us here, this is his visit macron's visit to poland, it took place against the backdrop of the appointment of the new prime minister françois bayrou. françois bayrou is, well, he is , as it were, a mentor to a certain extent of macron, because bayrou is the founder of the french centrist movement, in general such of the french centrist party, he is the founder and responsible. at one time,

when macron embarked on a broad political path, he already intended to run for president, when he was still only the minister of economy, he actually conducted his main political dialogues with françois bayrou, and accordingly, this is his idea, macron's idea, the creation of a political force that will be a powerful, powerful opposition, in fact the distance to war is measured in hundreds of kilometers, and from... accordingly now on already at the peak of his political career , he will do everything to form his own legacy, that is, to complete his political term, well, his presidential term, political, maybe not, maybe he will remain in politics, it is unknown, he does not say anything about it, so actually he will now be the main promoter, the main engine of the organization of european support for ukraine, and the election of trump instead of kaman harris in... in the elections in the united

states gave him additional arguments and additional strength and additional, well, let's put it this way, responsibility, determination added to it in the activity of strengthening the internal power of the internal, that is, internal security, that is, the european part of nato, strengthening to the extent that the eu, the european union gradually becomes a separate security. force, a separate security alternative, not only in the defense of the european continent, but also in the world, and this is what constantly accompanies, let's say, the first and this second term of macron, these are investments in serious energy projects, that is, france must now transition to 100% dependence on its own energy in the 35th year, this is about nuclear power plants, of course,

three huge enterprises in the north of france were openly operating to produce its own batteries, battery components, a search for elements is being conducted all over the world to ensure that the periodic table is provided without chinese and not without chinese e parts, and without taking these same elements from unfriendly countries, that is an entire institution is being built, and it is already operating production, but now... people continue to work hard to make this production autonomous, that is, to transfer it if it is not profitable to produce it somewhere, because french workers work hard, but they also earn much more than, for example, romanian workers or, for example, slovak workers, that is why within the european union, france is not currently opening a single new and powerful enterprise outside the eu, that is, this is not a rule, this is not a law, but it would be...

uh, an unwritten history, an unwritten rule, which is sometimes observed much more effectively, and against this background, ukraine is perhaps the most important field of implementation of security. autonomy of europe for macron's idea, that's why he has such powerful organizational actions, the organization of donald trump's visit to the opening of the sub-russian bogmata is his entire merit, and this is his desire, i don't know if trump had a great desire, but nevertheless his pr group understood that his visit there would give him enough a lot of, let's say, that necessary flair, especially in the part of people who did not vote for trump, and therefore they influenced him in the first place, well , he himself understood that such a visit would be of high quality, but in exchange for this, plus trump was seated at his request next to the president of france, the french protocol is very, let's say,

conservative in this regard, it would never have happened if it were not for the desire of the president of france to satisfy trump's desire for the sake of the meeting to take place, the question here is not that this meeting is all decided or something, a meeting where it was explained in a short but clear form that the european union, in general, the european part of nato, and france, in particular, see no other option in resolving the war that russia started, the occupation war against ukraine, than ukraine's victory in this war, that is, that ukraine... negotiations at the stage at which it wants to say that stopping the war is possible, and the guarantee that it wants to receive from ukraine in time for this not temporary, and not one

that would give the aggressor the strength to attack ukraine again with new armies, accordingly france expressed its borders, well, let's say not red lines, but its lines of support for ukraine, that it will be this way and that, regardless of whether the united states will participate in this or not, and accordingly, this was said in the presence of president zelensky, which meant that this event is a joint position, both of the european union, and france, and accordingly ukraine, because to say that okay, that this is france, and the european union, these are different countries, well, let's not forget that the entire security of the european continent is provided by the members of the european union, let's emphasize, it is france, and great britain also provides it, but great britain , with all its respect and love for this wonderful great country, is still a country that revolves in the orbit of american

foreign policy, where the main external, foreign policy and international guidelines of london are built, and paris builds them independently and... it is a country with a strong potential, with nuclear, well, not only nuclear weapons, but with nuclear potential, now quite a few areas are being developed in the perspective of innovative production and development of nuclear weapons, then this is a country with a completed cycle of the military-industrial complex, which produces everything from eh, well, until recently it produced practically everything, but now it produces absolutely everything, because eh... a gunpowder plant is already opening, one of the largest, i think in the world , gunpowder factories, which worked until 78 year, and then they were, then they closed it, and moved production to china traditionally, now it's all coming back to france,

and that's why, that's why the ukrainian-french alliance in this situation is a guarantee that the pressure from washington, the pressure from the united states, the pressure from trump personally... mm will be, will be amortized, if not by everyone, not by the entire european union, if not by all nato members from the european continent, then definitely one hundred percent by france. mr. andriy, we only have two minutes left, and those are macron's plans, he is the first of the european leaders said that we should not reject the possibility of simply introducing peacekeeping forces into the territory of ukraine to stop the war, for example, the occupation of kyiv, if it came to that, now they are gradually ceasing to exist, well, they are starting to take on some kind of political reality, there are some negotiations, there are already some statements, who could be, i don't know, sergey markov, putin's former representative, writes about it, as the plan for europe is already ready, we will find out that trump

is also participating in all this, i, what am i leading this to, how are they looking in france for such an initiative of macron, is there at least minimal support in france. willingness to actually implement this plan when there is an opportunity, well, look, if we are talking about support, you know, 60% of the french want macron to resign, but, but 58%. the french want to support ukraine in this situation, that is, here, here, here, now with different there, if you give with different commas and there to assumptions, then this percentage will overlap these 60%, that is, 60% for macron's resignation and 60% for supporting ukraine, so there are no problems with macron here find support in france for his foreign policy initiatives, as for sending his troops to ukraine, french. this is the president's decision, that is, he wants to and has made a decision, he has, has the constitutional opportunity, the

constitutional right to transfer 40,000 french troops from one country to another, from france, there to ukraine, from france, to africa, wherever he wants, that is, it is his responsibility, his later decision by the courts in case he acted illegally, that is, it is all in his hands, will it be done, so it stopped, because before everything was built on providing military... support, that is, replenishing the armed forces of ukraine with a foreign structure, which would be, for example, four or five brigades, six brigades, well , it depends, some franco, franco-british, franco-british-polish, franco-british, lithuanian-latvian-estonian, that is, this is how it was built here, initially the initiative was built to supply additional elements of weapons, now after trump came to power, it... only the rhetoric has changed, but not the content of the military, because the european military

will arrive in ukraine, if they arrive, if it will be after the measurement, they will not be in white helmets or blue helmets, there will not be written un there, there will not be written eu there, there will not be written pariet there, there will be written, there will be french, polish and british coats of arms, these will be regular military units that will make sure that the aggressor does not break his own promise, his own signed papers, but again, this will be when these papers are in force, but the troops are preparing besides this, because the deployment of these troops in odessa, in uzhgorod, for example, in uzhgorod in transcarpathia is being considered, why, because in this way to ensure security, the supply of constant european support to ukraine, despite all the wishes or reluctance of russia, thank you very much for the conversation, andriy shkil, politician, journalist, people's deputy of ukraine, has been with us for several convocations, well, i'm on this one. i say goodbye to you, see you tomorrow at 8:00 in the morning, but stay with us, the espresso broadcast continues,

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yes, indeed, the prime minister of estonia was in ukraine for two days, 9 and 10 december. his program was extremely busy, he met with the prime minister, the president, the minister of defense, the minister of digital transformation mikhail fedorov and the director of the institute of oil and gas oleksandr litvinenko. we also visited trypillya to demonstrate the devastating consequences of the russian missile attacks and their impact on ukraine. in addition , the prime minister. let's talk about aid and support, which we receive from estonia. your country is quite small, i would even say very small, but at the same time it provides significant assistance

relative to its gdp. how do you manage to achieve such a level of support? yes, our support began back in 2014, when russia occupied crimea and part of ukrainian territories. even then, estonia became the initiator of the sanctions policy in the european union and made every possible effort to help ukraine. in the first weeks and months of the war , we transferred everything that was available in our warehouses. today, the people estonia, together with the government and parliament, continues to support. ukraine, making every effort. this assistance is sincere, warm and from the heart. we are proud to be able to be with you in this difficult time. now let's talk about the common neighbor that you have already mentioned: both our countries have an eastern border with russia, which brutally

invaded ukraine in 2022, and earlier in 2014 , as a country directly bordering russia, how does estonia assess the security situation in the region and the current challenges it faces ukraine. "you understand, you can't change geography, we have always lived and will live next to russia, you don't choose your neighbors, that's right, we can't choose our neighbors, we have always been cautious, starting from the moment of restoration of independence in 1991, russia's invasion of georgia in 2008 became alarming for us." and that putin and his regime have aggressive and dangerous intentions. after the events of 2014, our alarmism only increased, because it became obvious what

our neighbor is capable of. today we feel confident, thanks to the efforts aimed at strengthening our own security and close cooperation with our neighbors. we are proud to be part of nato and count on support. we sincerely hope that in the near future ukraine will join the nato family. together, as allies, we will be able to even more effectively confront any threats and defend our common values. we all sincerely hope that ukraine will become a member of nato, although, as far as i understand, this issue will not be resolved in the next few years. i believe that this moment will definitely come in the future. since we have already touched on the topic of nato

and security, let's discuss another important aspect. recently, there has been active talk about the possibility of peace agreements between ukraine and russia, especially after donald trump's victory in the us presidential election. how does estonia assess the prospects for ending the war, what is the position of the estonian government on potential negotiations between ukraine and russia? as history shows, every war or act of aggression ultimately ends with negotiations and the conclusion of some kind of peace agreement. so, in the end, an agreement must be reached in which ukraine, its allies and the aggressor state will participate.

however, we firmly stand by the position that no decision can be made without ukraine's participation. similarly, no issue concerning europe can be resolved without european states at the negotiating table. we strongly support ukraine in its desire to defend its rights, because we understand that the aggressor, unfortunately, reacts only to force. that is why it is key to strengthen ukraine's position so that it can to negotiate with russia on its own terms. however, we must not forget about the fundamentals. the injustice of the situation, one country brutally invades another peaceful state, forcing it to defend itself.

under such circumstances, what kind of negotiations can we talk about. russia must completely leave the entire territory of ukraine, restoring the borders of 1991. in addition, it is obliged to pay reparations for all damages caused to ukraine. and an international tribunal is definitely needed, the perpetrators of each crime, including those committed by the leadership aggressor states must be fairly punished, this is the only way to achieve justice and prevent the recurrence of such aggression in the future, is there mutual understanding between european leaders in this vision, this is a very clear and strong position of estonia, which is also shared by our neighbors.

europe stands in solidarity with ukraine, and the european union provides it with significant support. everyone understands that there is an extremely high stakes in ukraine, and the outcome of this brutal aggression will determine the foundations of the world order. based on rules and will create a new architecture of european security. not only for the coming years, but possibly for decades. it is true. we know a lot about the financial, military and humanitarian assistance that estonia provides to ukraine. but much less is known about your contribution to the field of it support, because estonia is one of the co-chairs of the so-called it coalition.

could you tell us? what has been achieved so far? yes, of course, as i have already noted, we are a relatively small country, but we strive to help ukraine in every possible way. given that estonia is a leader in the field of digital technologies, we also actively support ukraine in this direction. in particular, estonia is part of the it coalition and one of the donor countries. tallinn mechanism. recently, we organized a high-level event in kyiv within the framework of this mechanism. the event included three-day cyber training aimed at strengthening cybersecurity and exchanging experience in this critically important area. here in kyiv? yes, we organized it together with our ukrainian colleagues. many people know that estonians have high skills in it and digital

technologies. and we use this experience to help in this area as well. thank you very much, you have also helped us significantly in the humanitarian area, could you tell us a little more about that? we have provided humanitarian aid worth over 30 million euros. i want to emphasize that the estonian people send humanitarian aid every day. i often read in the news that more and more aid is coming from estonia, in addition, we are providing vehicles for the military at the front, including medical vehicles.

i am sure that every estonian thinks every day about how to help ukraine, and not only thinks, but actively acts, making their contribution to your struggle. and that is wonderful, thank you for that. as far as i know, about a year ago, estonian legislators adopted a law that allows for the confiscation of russian assets, which. has been achieved in this direction over the past year. estonia was one of the first countries to adopt a law that allows for the confiscation of frozen russian assets. we have become leaders in this matter, because we believe that it is necessary to use not only the interest, but also the assets themselves for the benefit of those affected by russian aggression.